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mistresss-of-magnetism:

salarta:

mistresss-of-magnetism:

HAIL, THE QUEEN OF MUTANTS!

Bryan Singer claims the middle one isn’t Lorna, but I think she was originally meant to be Lorna before Singer took over.

BULLSHIT because Singer didn’t say anything like that. Who the HELL you think it is? It’s Lorna because that who we ALL believe she is. It can’t be no one, but Lorna Dane. AND I didn’t create this collage so it’s crystal clear to everyone that it is Lorna Dane.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?s=a3e4934c5597d80695b37127fbd35a99&p=31702431&postcount=381

https://marvelupdates1.wordpress.com/2015/07/02/x-men-apocalypse-rogue-cut-and-more-scoop-by-bryan-singer/

“Quicksilver’s younger sister was simply his younger sister, not meant to be his twin or Scarlet Witch just a character he could bond with and hold at the end.”

Now, it’s possible one person made the quote up and it got spread by others who thought it was legit. I tried to check his instagram account when I first found the quote, and the post where he did the Q&A wouldn’t load comments beyond a certain point for me. But, he also has yet to come out and say the quote is false or say anything that disproves it, either.

Likewise, it’s possible that just as I think the little girl was originally intended to be Lorna, Singer could make her Lorna again. But if this quote is legitimate, he isn’t even acknowledging the girl could be Lorna, only Wanda – even though we already knew it wasn’t Wanda.

Though I’ll say, Singer refuting the idea of the little girl being Quicksilver’s twin is weird given their obvious vast age difference.

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About Quicksilver’s little sister in Days of Future Past

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There’s been some arguments about the little girl in Days of Future Past. Time to clear this up.

A year ago, when Days of Future Past was coming out, this was revealed.

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/so-polaris-x-men-days-future-past-scarlet-witch-gets-cut

Essentially, there were scenes from DoFP that got cut, one involving a little girl, who references an older sister upstairs. Bryan Singer said in interview that the little girl isn’t Wanda, and implied Wanda is an older sister upstairs. This left the little girl’s identity open, with a strong chance it could’ve been Polaris.

I was hoping for that, as were most Lorna fans. Unfortunately, we got this news earlier this month, from Bryan Singer on Instagram.

https://marvelupdates1.wordpress.com/2015/07/02/x-men-apocalypse-rogue-cut-and-more-scoop-by-bryan-singer/comment-page-1/

“Quicksilver’s younger sister was simply his younger sister, not meant
to be his twin or Scarlet Witch just a character he could bond with and
hold at the end.”

Now, I tried to verify its authenticity, but I had no luck – a Google search only pulls up various sites citing this quote, not the original comment. When I finally tracked down the Instagram post where the Q&A took place, I hit a barrier to how many comments I could load. Here’s the link. Try for yourself, maybe you’ll have more luck.

https://instagram.com/p/4lq1JxxD6R/

If the quotes on the WordPress link are all accurate, Singer doesn’t seem to even acknowledge Lorna while he dismisses the little girl as being Lorna.

So, what we’re left with is this: either the quotes are false and the little girl may still be Lorna, or they’re true and Bryan Singer’s decided both Lorna and Wanda shouldn’t be used in the live action X-Men films for the foreseeable future.

Where should we go from here? Well, if you want Lorna to be in the live-action X-Men films, simply do what you can to promote her and demonstrate there’s enough interest in her that Fox and/or Singer would be more likely to use her in a future film. It doesn’t matter whether you think the little girl is Lorna or not, it certainly couldn’t hurt her chances.

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This has probably been posted by someone else already, but I’ll post it separately anyway instead of hunting around.

Stan Lee let it slip that he will have a very different cameo in ‘X-Men: Apocalypse’

The most relevant part here isn’t that Stan Lee’s getting a different kind of cameo. What’s relevant is how at least according to this source (Business Insider), Stan Lee was told he’s not allowed to talk about talk about having that cameo… with Marvel employees glaring at him.

This goes a long way to proving that Disney and Marvel are trying to undermine the X-Men franchise on their end, and that all the recent poor treatment such as retconning Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver out of being Magneto’s kids is motivated by ego and greed.

But more importantly, it demonstrates exactly what’s wrong with Marvel right now. The company is undermining and tearing apart franchises, relationships and characters people love, and many grew up with. Fans are being driven away because the company cares more about money than respect. I strongly believe many creators are being driven away too, because as much as these are brands and it’s a job, ordering creators to do things they know are bad for franchises or characters goes against creative instincts. It’s basically corporate putting in artificial limitations to output and demanding employees do worse at their jobs until some third party is willing to fork over more money. It’s corporate hostage taking.

And now, one of the big people behind making Marvel what it is today, a guy who helped create so many franchises and characters, is being told by some company out to make a buck that he’s not allowed to cherish and celebrate what’s become of his own creations?

If my goal was to see Marvel die, I wouldn’t be making this post. Marvel is killing itself from within. It’s in a sickly state, and all I’m doing is joining all the other people out there that want Marvel to acknowledge what they’re doing to themselves and set things right before it’s too late.

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silvermutant:

*slides Bryan Singer 20 dollars* so how about putting polaris in apocalypse

There are theories that Lorna may be one of the Horsemen. If there’s no other way for Lorna to be in the film, then I really hope that’s the case.

But, however Lorna’s defeated in such a state if she is a Horseman needs to be fair and reasonable; I don’t want some character to come along and do her in with just about no effort.

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soniclipstick:

Do you guys realise how amazing it would be to get Liz as Wanda? We could have Mary Kate as Polaris in the mcu and Ashley in the X-men movies and no body NOBODY MENTIONS THE LOOK A LIKE SITUATION BECAUSE SISTERS. Like what is stopping them. Can we get an Olsen sister situation up in the Lehnsherr family brood already? Taylor could be young Anya. 

If this was possible, I’d be all for it. Marvel needs to start treating the comics better first before anything like this has a shot.

X-men movies…

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polaris-greenfire:

Literally every time I watch an X-men movie for the first time, I’m just like, “Please have Polaris. Lorna needs the love…”

A few years ago, I would’ve been excited about Lorna being in an X-Men film, but also wished she could be in the MCU. Today, I hope more than ever that we get Lorna in the X-Men films.

I hope for this mainly because it’s now the only place we have any chance of seeing her spend time with her sister Wanda for the next decade or two. Even if the chance of that happening in an X-Men film is slim, a slim chance is better than no chance at all.

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sabrethemage:

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sabrethemage:

If I wanted to see Scarlet Witch in Age of Apocalypse before, Age of Ultron made me REALLY want to see her. Although given the death of a certain silver haired cinnamon roll, I’m starting to guess that Marvel and Fox have a parent trap type deal like “K, you have Quicksilver, but Scar is ours.” Is it even possible that she could appear in the X-Men Cinematic Universe? I would KILL for a spin-off film focusing on Magneto, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Polaris. 

I NEED MY TWINS TOGETHER AGAIN!!

I wouldn’t be surprised if Fox and Disney/Marvel made such a deal, but if they did, Fox made a huge mistake. They’re the company that has control over the whole Magnus family, which means they could do a whole Magnus family direction including sister time with Lorna and Wanda. Right now, I also feel like I can safely say that any such deal made by Disney/Marvel is with malicious intent – meaning Disney/Marvel are doing it purely to try to hurt Fox rather than to move toward working things out with Fox.

I agree entirely. Especially on the point of it being malicious. Honestly, I do think Disney wants Fox to be damaged as much as possible. Which really sucks. Let Fox keep X-men and leave them be. 

My opinion of each company and the X-Men film rights is malleable. It can change depending on how well or poorly each company treats the X-Men franchise with the rights they have.

I’ve seen people claim Fox is the problem, but if they are, it’s behind closed doors. If there’s no way I can see and confirm it, why should I trust it? It’s all gossip and hearsay. I have to go by the evidence in front of me, and right now, the evidence says 1) Disney and Marvel are the bad actors in this situation, and 2) Fox appreciates and deserves the X-Men franchise far more than Disney and Marvel ever will.

Disney and Marvel constantly undermine and damage the Fantastic Four and X-Men franchises on their end. They tear down key figures in the X-Men franchise, like Magneto and Cyclops, to build up the Avengers. They undo decades of canon, as in the case of forcing a retcon to try to make Wanda and Pietro no longer Magneto’s kids, just to sever ties the X-Men franchise has with everything else in the Marvel universe. They let the Avengers franchise control and dictate the narrative of the X-Men franchise with stunts like Avengers vs X-Men, Axis and Havok’s anti-mutant speech alongside going out of the way to depict characters like Rogue horribly outside the X-books.

Disney and Marvel are even trying to replace the X-Men with the Inhumans. They’re trying to turn everything that defines the X-Men franchise into stuff the Inhumans control, while stripping those elements out of the X-Men franchise.

Disney and Marvel don’t appreciate or respect the Fantastic Four or X-Men franchises. Not one bit. If they did, they wouldn’t be going out of their way to ruin those franchises. Disney and Marvel would be treating the X-Men franchise as best as they could, to show by example that they’re better for the film rights than Fox.

My respect for Disney and Marvel is equal to the respect they show for things I care about. High respect leads to high respect, and disrespect earns disrespect. When Disney and Marvel are ready to treat the X-Men franchise better in the comics, I’ll be ready to trust they can be better for the film rights than Fox. Undoing their recent forced retcon on Wanda and Pietro’s parentage would be a good start.

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kurt-banged-her:

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invisiblelad:

nextreact:

“I’m glad you’re here with me, Sam… here at the end of all things”

Magneto #18 Last Days

Well at least one kid gets closure

At least he still has one not retconned child. 

As far as I’m concerned, Marvel stopped writing comics with Wanda and Pietro in them before Axis. Wanda and Pietro are still Magneto’s kids, and I’m looking forward to when Marvel decides to start writing them again so I can see more awesome Lorna and Wanda sister time.

I’m steeling myself for the likelihood that we won’t see the real Wanda and Pietro again for another 10 years or so. Maybe longer.

like Marvel can literally not erase this family because of the fanbase and the fact Fox seems to be eager to capitalize on it.

and just look at how many jokes fans made about Magneto being in AoU? does Marvel think they can erase that idea ahahaha jokes on u Marvel punk ass fuckboys

Fox hasn’t done much with the family just yet. They acknowledged Pietro exists (… as Peter), put in a very subtle hint that he’s related to Magneto, and elements cut from the final film imply Wanda is in the same house as him (and that the little girl might be Lorna), but that’s as far as we’ve got so far.

From Fox’s perspective, it would be ideal for Apocalypse to lead into a storyline featuring Genosha and Magneto’s entire family. Now is an especially good time for Fox to strike in that vein, because Marvel has pissed off a lot of fans that Fox can now easily win over.

But so far, Fox hasn’t tried to take advantage of Marvel’s mistake by hyping up any of Magneto’s family as part of the movie. That they haven’t done so suggests one of many possible things as I see it. One, perhaps the family isn’t in Apocalypse or doesn’t have a very big role. Two, those elements may not be finished yet or Fox may want to promote them later at a time they deem more market-friendly (same reason they haven’t announced who the Horsemen are, I’m sure). Three, contrary to what Disney or Marvel would like people to believe, Fox really is more than willing to sit down and strike a deal, but Disney/Marvel are the difficult ones.

The reasoning behind number 3 there is that perhaps Fox is refraining from using or promoting the Magnus family much because they know it’d upset Disney/Marvel and make striking a deal more difficult.

I’ve also considered the prospect that maybe there’s some legal hurdles with Fox using Wanda and Pietro that makes using them as Magneto’s family difficult or impossible without Marvel approval, but if that’s the case, it wouldn’t explain why we have yet to see Lorna. Fox definitely doesn’t need Marvel’s approval to use her as Magneto’s daughter.

Why I Support Fox Keeping the X-Men Film Rights

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I’ve been saying this a lot in isolated cases on Twitter and Tumblr, I think it’s time I write a dedicated Tumblr post.

I currently support Fox keeping the X-Men film rights, and keeping themselves far away from Marvel and its Cinematic Universe. I’ll be covering three topics.

1) Disney/Marvel doesn’t appreciate or respect the X-Men franchise
2) Disney/Marvel would NEVER use Polaris with her family in the MCU, and doesn’t respect her anyway
3) The MCU is going to crash and burn anyway around 2020

1) Disney/Marvel doesn’t appreciate or respect the X-Men franchise

Everyone that reads comics already knows all about the forced retcon of Scarlet Witch (Wanda) and Quicksilver (Pietro) out of being Magneto’s kids. There’s more going on than that.

Every crossover event is specifically designed to give the Avengers franchise a boost and tear out or ruin something about the X-Men franchise. Avengers vs X-Men was set up to kill off Professor Xavier, turn key X-Men figures like Cyclops into terrorist villain types, and give the Avengers franchise more authority in pulling stunts like Havok’s “don’t call us mutants“ speech in the Avengers books. Axis permitted the Avengers franchise to turn Genosha into an Avengers location, use Professor Xavier’s mind to fuel hate, and to make Magneto look bad.

Marvel won’t make X-Men cartoons or video games anymore. The last one was an under-the-radar anime, and the last one before that was Wolverine and the X-Men, which they canceled very shortly after Disney took over despite having all of season 2 and even part of season 3 planned.

Marvel is even trying to hide the X-Men franchise where they think they can get away with it. San Diego Comic Con, they provided no dedicated panel for the X-Men; it was only shown when paired with Avengers. This is compared to how they had a panel dedicated to Spider-Verse when at the time, the X-Men had four more books coming out than all of Spider-Verse. Further, when Days of Future Past came out, Marvel 1) didn’t try to get people to read X-Men comics to turn them into Marvel fans, and 2) kept Quicksilver off the covers for All-New X-Factor while it was in theaters.

2) Disney/Marvel would NEVER use Polaris with her family in the MCU, and doesn’t respect her anyway

During Children’s Crusade, the Avengers books had a House of M portrait redrawn to remove Lorna.

During Avengers vs X-Men, Lorna only appeared as a nameless cameo, one that her entire family ignored – even to the point where Magneto ignored her being mind-controlled into submission by Emma Frost, even though he’d just gone into space to rescue her.

During Axis, Lorna was segregated only to All-New X-Factor and kept from being anywhere near the main events… while the variant for Axis #1 was specifically designed to make Enchantress look more like Polaris, by recoloring her blonde hair as green and Wanda’s brown hair as red.

During No More Humans, Wanda and Pietro got to be with their father Magneto, but once again, Lorna was nowhere to be seen.

When Peter David provided us with Lorna and Wanda spending time as sisters for the first time in 10 years, Marvel not only didn’t promote it, but withheld the cover until less than a week before release – when it would be too late for most casual fans to find out and preorder a copy.

All of the above is in addition to general lack of respect for Lorna. She was excluded completely from the X-Men amalgam covers meant to celebrate the franchise’s history, yet Havok got to be on it, even though Lorna was created BEFORE Havok (back in 1968) and was the first female X-Men member to join after Jean Grey. X-Factor #243 by Peter David gave us Lorna’s origin story, something she’d lacked for over 40 years, and it got no promotion. Imagine if Storm went for 4 decades without an origin story, then she finally got one and Marvel did nothing to promote it.

If Marvel were to somehow strike a deal with Fox or get the X-Men film rights back, I can guarantee you based on their activity when they don’t have those film rights that they would completely exclude Polaris.

Marvel acknowledges and respects characters like Havok, Rogue, Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops. They do not acknowledge and respect Polaris. If they did, she would get to do more and be more involved than she currently is, and they sure as hell wouldn’t have excluded her from her family or refused to promote stuff where she does spend time with them.

They would never use Polaris. They would only use those other characters they consider “more important” and “more deserving” of use and respect than her. They’ve allowed a lot of great depictions for her lately, but great depictions are not the same thing as taking part in major events, promotion, or getting to be included with her family.

By contrast, Fox owning the film rights means they have to make do with what they have. They have to look within the X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises and ONLY those franchises for options. That improves Lorna’s odds of getting used with her family.

Nevermind the fact that Disney is obsessed with the idea that Marvel is “for boys only” with their films, as people have noted the serious lack of both female superheroine representation and merchandise when it comes to the MCU. That means we’re unlikely to ever see Lorna and Wanda together as sisters in the current MCU no matter what happens.

3) The MCU is going to crash and burn around 2020

We’re already seeing it in motion, and I predicted this well before the signs appeared.

Marvel has a huge cinematic universe. DC has a huge cinematic universe coming up. Disney’s going to do it with Star Wars. Sony had that plan for the Spider-Man films. Universal is considering one for its monsters. The hot new trend for films is massive cinematic universes where films interact and build off each other.

All these cinematic universes already mean an absurd amount of demand for consumer dollars, and with prices and the economy as they are as well as how much supporting media is out there, there’s just no way people will be able to hold on like they have. The Marvel Cinematic Universe got lucky because they were the first to try something on the scale they did; they’re not so special anymore once everyone else is doing it.

And we’re now getting to the real meat of why the MCU is going to crash and burn: way, way, WAAAAY too much saturation. We’re going to have three films per year. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is on the air, as well as Agent Carter. There’s Daredevil, with four others planned. The Avengers film about the Infinity Gems is going to be a two-parter.

This is overkill. I don’t care how optimistic you are and how much you love the MCU, the average person is not nearly as devoted. There’s a reason the Superman, Batman, X-Men, Spider-Man, etc films started off strong and eventually wound up putting out box office and critical bombs.

I’m a big video game fan. I’m VERY aware of what happens when you oversaturate a market. Activision completely killed the music game genre for half a decade by pumping out too many Guitar Hero games. Rock Band and Guitar Hero games are coming out this year, and we still don’t know how successful they’ll be.

By contrast, Fox isn’t doing anything nearly as over-ambitious. They have a Fantastic Four film. They have X-Men: Apocalypse and a Gambit film in the works. While Marvel’s busy overloading the market, Fox is pacing itself, and they’ve presented the X-Men franchise JUST different enough that it’s not entirely a “superhero” genre film series anymore. Days of Future Past is proof of that.

And aside from all the above, there is increasingly more and more judgment and flak aimed at the MCU. Some of this is purely because it’s so successful right now, success often causes people to be more critical than they normally are. But the thing is, a critical eye leads people to see flaws. Flaws lead to loss of interest, which leads to a smaller audience and a loss of sales. Not listening to criticism is even more damning, and Disney has shown no signs of a willingness to listen to anyone about anything until it’s too late.

In conclusion

I’m not saying Fox is the best most awesome company ever. I’m not saying Marvel couldn’t do the family better if it really tried.

I’m saying I trust Fox far, far more than Disney/Marvel.

Disney/Marvel has demonstrated repeatedly that it does not respect the X-Men, the Magnus family, or Polaris herself. In the comics, Disney/Marvel are willing to undermine and sacrifice the entire X-Men franchise and things like 30 years of family relationships just because it wants a little more money.

Disney/Marvel have visibly demonstrated by their actions that they can take or leave the franchise, and they don’t deserve it anyway. If they cared about it in any way, they wouldn’t be destroying it in the comics. They would be making a solid case for why they’re better for the franchise, so that fans would be inclined to boycott the X-Men films until Fox makes a deal with Marvel.

Which is where I sit on the issue. Disney and Marvel haven’t done anything to woo me to them. They’ve only pushed me away. I’ll be happy to support Marvel getting the film rights back or Fox striking a favorable deal for them as soon as Disney/Marvel give me a reason to trust they’re better for the franchise, the Magnus family and Polaris than Fox.

Until then, I’m going to support Fox. They may do stupid and awful things like turn Pietro into Peter, but at the end of the day, they’re the only chance we’ll see the Magnus family. Disney and Marvel have already shown us there isn’t a snowball’s chance in Hell they’ll ever give us that under their current leadership.