On Tom Hiddleston and Elizabeth Olsen

simplymypurpleworld:

mlmannaz:

So, I know there has been some TH and EO bashing in the
fandom I got slightly drunk and braved the Elizabeth Olsen tag and all I found
was strong words against said bashing and or cheering them on. I am so in love
with this strong and new side of my favourite fandom that I do not feel the
embarrassment of being one of them I did two years ago over a tennis
match. 

I know some of us find it hard but we don’t own him! We do
not know him personally (even if you have met him once) and we need to remember
we are not in this to score, we are not in this to trap him and we are not in
this to date him (if it may happen bonus but that’s not why we are here) we are
fans and we are here to love and support the man. SO LOVE AND SUPPORT HIM
Even if he’s not dating you, he has the right to be happy. 

That does not include you abusing his spouse.

If they’re dating or not:

How would you feel in her place?

How would you feel if it was your best friend or sister in
her place?

Please think before attacking her.

TO EVERYONE ELSE, THANK YOU FOR BEING AWESOME!!! I LOVE YOU!!

I think he’s an epic actor and a gent. 

Some of fandom for various things is getting incredibly hateful, toxic and abusive. More and more, I’m realizing that kind of behavior is a huge risk to not just fandom, but the internet as a whole. On the fandom side, it deters people from wanting to take part in fandom. Just as the original poster mlmannaz said, it made them feel embarrassed to be part of it.

The unfortunate side effect is that it could do a lot of harm to not just the fandom, but what the fandom is there to support. Maybe Tom Hiddleston will decide to quit acting at some point because the impression he gets of fandom is that it causes too much harm to his personal life and the people he cares about.

Because of this, it’s incredibly important to oppose such abuse, and show the good side of fandom. Every fandom needs fans that inspire and support, make it a welcoming place for new people, and show the fandom really is good and worthwhile. The good fans need to step up, because the bad ones can do a lot of damage – in many cases, completely unaware they’re doing it, or how far the damage will go.

I’m actually worried about what kind of harm “fandom” might do to real, living people 3 years from now if the current direction things are going in isn’t reversed or redirected.

I’m finding I increasingly need to defend the basic right of fans to disagree with each other without being accused of not being a “true fan”, and I just find that really sad.

It’s one thing to think differently and not like what someone else has to say and think, it’s another to try to restrict who’s accepted as a fan and try to make fandom too toxic and abusive for anyone new to get involved.

“True Fans,” Fandom, and Gatekeeping

If you’ve been active on social media at all, or even taken part in something that would get a lot of spread on social media, you know how volatile people have become.

A lot of people are getting their names and reputations dragged through the mud, receiving harassment and death threats online, and some have even been SWATted (where a fake threat is called to police to get a SWAT team to raid someone’s house – which can result in actual physical harm and threats) and essentially chased out of their homes.

All of this activity can ultimately be traced back to one thing: the concept of a “true fan”, and attempts to dominate fandom and control who is or isn’t considered a fan.

As much as I’ve been active on Twitter, I haven’t been nearly active enough about this on Tumblr, and it’s time for me to say something here.

There is a lot of loaded language wrapped up in this concept, so there’s no perfect place to begin. We have to just jump right in and elaborate from there.

We’ve seen a lot of volatility as of late in fandom everywhere. There’s GamerGate, full of people who insist they’re fighting for ethics in games journalism – when really, the language of most GGers is stilted in things like “fighting the SJW menace” and “exposing <insert female critic, developer, research, etc>’s lies.” Many GGers insist the people they target are “not real gamers.”

When the Batgirl cover referencing the Killing Joke came out, and many people complained and criticized it (I believe rightfully so), many people insisted demands to pull the cover amounted to censorship… and some of the people who demanded the cover be pulled received harassment and death threats, and calls that they weren’t “true comic book fans” or “true Batman fans.”

I’ve experienced this first-hand, of course. Nowhere near to the same degree as so many others have received it. But practically any time where I’ve criticized a company or product or shown concern that something bad might happen to something I love, there will be someone who comes along with this insistence they’re a “true fan,” and that I’m not because I said something they didn’t like.

So here’s the critical question in all of this: what makes someone a “true fan”?

If I buy absolutely anything and everything a company makes, even if they openly insult me as a consumer and all the things I care about – am I a true fan?

If I buy absolutely nothing, never have and never will, and say something needs to radically change into something else before I’ll buy it – am I a true fan?

We know the dictionary definition of a fan, but there are so many individual, personal semantic definitions. One person thinks you’re not a fan unless you defend a company and what it does to the death, no matter how bad it is. Another person thinks you’re not a fan unless you mercilessly criticize everything and show no appreciation. Still another person thinks neither route is correct, that you need a mix.

Or is it something else? Are you a true fan if you play X number of games or read X number of comics featuring something? Are you a true fan if you paid to commission fanart, or write fanfiction?

Depending on your definition, who counts as a “true fan” changes.

Suddenly, a person who’s read comic books about their favorite character for years and bought countless comics and art commissions isn’t a “true fan” because they’re willing to complain about the company that owns that character’s rights.

Suddenly, a woman who makes experimental video games or cares about better representation for women in video games isn’t a “true gamer”, while a man who’s never played a game before and has regularly insulted gaming as a whole is an “honorary gamer” for supporting certain people and playing a little bit of one video game.

Suddenly, people who deeply love and respect something “don’t count” as “true fans.” And here’s the reason: power.

Fiction has cultural power, and whoever has the loudest voice gets the most say in its shape. Whether explicitly or implicitly, most people are starting to realize this.

Want a character to get raped? Silence all dissenting voices, and it might happen.

Want a certain person to quit the video game industry? Send him or her enough death threats, make up things like “she has sex with dogs” or “she’s a rapist”, hack his or her bank account, all sorts of nastiness, and it might happen.

That is the shape “fandom” is increasingly taking right now: smear jobs, character assassination, real life harassment even to friends and family just for being associated with the intended target.

It’s all gatekeeping. It’s all an attempt to take possession of the keys, and then dictate who’s allowed to have them. “You’re not a true gamer unless you accept games as they are.” “You’re not a true Batgirl fan unless you accept her being presented first and foremost as Joker’s victim.” “You’re not a true Polaris fan unless you never complain about Marvel and never worry they might do something bad to her.”

And while it looks recent, this has actually been going on for years. Probably far longer than I’m even consciously aware.

When Anita Sarkeesian launched her Tropes vs Video Games Kickstarter in 2012, she received a wave of harassment and threats simply for the IDEA of criticizing video games through a feminist perspective, suggesting that as great as they are, they can be better.

When a woman working for Bioware said video games should permit a “skip gameplay” option to be able to enjoy only the story, also back in 2012, she received a swarm of harassment for daring to suggest games don’t need gameplay.

This behavior looks new, but it’s not. It’s been a very gradual escalation across several years. It only looks new because most people weren’t watching the horizon and what was slowly spilling over it.

The more people who think this is the right approach to fandom, the more extreme people will become when they get desperate. Right now, GamerGate laughs off the idea that any of the people they target will ever get killed. But is it really so laughable? In the span of 3 years, we’ve gone from internet harassment and some online death threats to women like Anita Sarkeesian, to people getting SWATted, and smeared as supposedly being rapists or fucking dogs or selling their kids for drug money.

All in an attempt to become the gatekeepers of fandom, and terrorize and chase out anyone who disagrees with them. If 3 years is enough for people to turn out like that and think it’s perfectly acceptable, what will 3 more years bring us?

Any time you see the words “true fan”, always, ALWAYS ask: who’s using them, how, and why. We can’t afford to not ask those questions when lives are on the line – right now, professional lives, the ability to actually get a job. But perhaps some day, the ability to continue living at all.

I’ve had a lot to think about over the past week.

I’ll just come right out and say it: receiving abuse over things I care about is not new to me. I’ve been dealing with it for years.

When I complained about Final Fantasy 13 around the time it released, many people attacked me – including one guy who actually said he wished my parents were Jews that died during the Holocaust.

While GamerGate’s been going on, I’ve seen them doxx, threaten, harass and smear so many innocent people – insisting one person was a rapist, insisting another person had sex for game reviews, insisting yet another person has sex with dogs. Any time it looked like there was a risk of me becoming a “big player” opposed to their abuse, they swarmed me with accusations and flat out lies about me.

Many of those same people followed me on Twitter when GamerGate started, to try to “inform” me of the “truth” – followed by trying to wear me down by repeatedly insisting I was stupid or naive, calling me “retarded” (horrible slur no decent person should ever use, by the way) and similar things.

I’ve had so much more than that aimed at me, for so many reasons, and it all boils down to one thing: they see me as a threat, and they want to ruin me or tear me down because attacking the messenger is easier than refuting the message.

It also always comes with loaded language. Abusers try to paint themselves as the victim, and try to de-legitimize the person they’re targeting. When I complained about Final Fantasy 13, people that didn’t want me to complain insisted I wasn’t a “true Final Fantasy fan”… even though Final Fantasy, with all the heart and soul Hironobu Sakaguchi poured into it, has meant so much to me since I was a child. When GamerGate attacks people they don’t like or see as a threat to their agenda, they insist their targets “aren’t real gamers”… while promoting people like Jack Thompson who have tried to get video games banned, and celebrating the idea that GamerGate might have caused some universities not to fund academic study or archival efforts in video games.

In cases like GamerGate, you even have people that actively tout how they’re going to “use the SJWs’ language against them.”

In a sense, I’ve been lucky and naive – I haven’t faced that kind of abuse for my support of Polaris until now.

And I don’t know, maybe this time the attempt at a smear job on me will succeed, but that really doesn’t matter. Polaris is worth suffering through this kind of abuse. As long as I break the cycle that’s kept her from being acknowledged and used for her value and potential for the past four (going on five) decades, it’ll all be worth it. I’ll be happy just to see that for all the slings and arrows aimed at me, Lorna’s getting cosplay, getting fanart, getting fanfic, and maybe some day will get to be the big part of the Marvel universe she should be.

I’m also going to ask that if you think some fan work isn’t getting enough spread because I posted it, or even if you don’t like me personally or think reblogging me will cause problems you don’t want, then please make a new post of it. You don’t have to attribute me with it anywhere, all that matters is that it gets out there and helps the fandom grow. I know how powerful fiction can be. Lorna has more value and potential than anyone can imagine, and she deserves the best she can get.

bitchybeautyboy:

salarta:

retcons-aint-origin:

bitchybeautyboy:

This is the reason why Magneto did what he did. He saved his daughter
and going to sacrifice himself. It look like he’s going to die. At
least Polaris is going to live and it’s the reason why he did the
unacceptable, but there were no other choice. And no, Polaris is not
depowered otherwise Marvel was better off killing her, but they didn’t
(and there is a reason why Marvel didn’t killed her) as some people here
stated with their “theory”  a while ago.

Keep reading

HALLELUJAH

The possibility that Lorna got depowered there is not a “theory,” it’s a theory. I’m not telling anyone they have to believe it, and I’m not saying it’s necessarily true either. I’m saying it’s POSSIBLE, and that it’s important to keep an eye out in case it is.

That’s all.

When he says “Your gifts… become MINE,” that specific line reads like he’s saying he’s taking her powers, BUT, there is still enough vagueness for it to be false. As such, it can go either way. I explicitly said this in my post. I am obviously very happy she’s not dead, which I was worried might happen, but we have no conclusive proof yet she was or wasn’t depowered.

The “Lorna is Briar” theory: You either didn’t read my post when I made it, or are deliberately mangling what I said. I said it once. ONCE. And for that ONE TIME I said it, I said it was both ONE OF SEVERAL theories and EXTREMELY UNLIKELY. Yet, you make it out to be something I thought with absolute certainty was guaranteed to happen, and you make it sound like I went around spouting it off for months.

Avengers vs X-Men: So you’re glad she wasn’t in it. Okay then. That’s fine. Your opinion is your own. That doesn’t mean I have to be fine with it, and it doesn’t mean I have to consider it acceptable just because you do.

Axis: The problem here is representation. My concern isn’t the quality of Axis, my concern is that 1) Marvel decided to be dickish enough to try to make Enchantress look more like Lorna on a variant cover paired with Wanda instead of actually using Lorna, and 2) that the cover for All-New X-Factor #14, the cover that ACTUALLY showed Lorna and Wanda together, was withheld until a week before release while this was happening.

Children’s Crusade: Present day Lorna not showing up WAS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue was how Marvel went so far in trying to erase her from the family at that time, they even REDREW A PORTRAIT FROM HOUSE OF M just to remove her. EVERYONE ELSE WAS IN THE PORTRAIT EXCEPT LORNA. It wasn’t just that Lorna wasn’t around, it wasn’t just that they didn’t think about her, it was that they even wanted to remove her from having ever been a part of a major Magnus family event she was a meaningful part of.

Conclusion. You’re the second person now to take things I’ve said and twist them, fabricate things I never said and suggest I did things that never happened, all in a bid to badmouth me and say I’m “not a true Polaris fan.” But if you’re going to do all that just because you don’t like the thought that Marvel might do things that are bad for Lorna, then you’re no Polaris fan. A real fan of a character doesn’t launch smear campaigns full of outright lies and twisting of the truth on other fans of that character just because they don’t like what those other fans are saying.

I am perfectly fine with you disagreeing with me, but I am not okay with you making up shit about me or twisting things I’ve said and done to sound dumb or heinous. I WILL block you if that happens again, and I don’t care if you don’t care. This is my only warning.

I will like to begin by asking you to please stop derailing my review here cause I don’t jump in to yours and the reason I don’t is because I’m not interested. If I can recall this correctly, I never mentioned names or “your” name so if you felt offended then I’m sorry because I was speaking in general. Me making up shit? I’m sorry, but I’m not the one bringing up theories. I’m going by the panels.

You so POSITIVE since Polaris got depowered twice that it’s POSSIBLE she got depowered again. Really, all you can think and say is negative stuff like you were trying to say and derailed Duchra review about Polaris and only because Dechra was being Positive about Lorna. You’re doing the same thing here.

It’s obvious if I’m the second person to take things you’ve said is because you don’t have anything good to say, but always bringing bad thoughts about Marvel this and Marvel that just like Storm this and Storm that. Let me remind you Marvel is not treating Lorna bad as much as Marvel treated the whole X-Men and that is the truth.

I don’t think Magneto sucked all her power. I don’t think that Polaris will be completely depowered by Magneto’s siphoning. The main reason is Magneto telling his daughter that she “still has something to offer this world”. Don’t think he would say that if he knew he was going to leave her utterly powerless, an ordinary human.

In your review you had an image posted and now is not there (seem like someone took it out), but what you had was this……

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The only bad image to support your arguments. Negative arguments, but I guess that’s you as a fan.

I never said I was happy she was not in AVX. I say her appearing in AvX was completely good and that I was happy she was not in the whole book because all the X-men was treated like crap and it’s true. Plus why are you saying Polaris was not in AVX? Here are images from AVX

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And trust me she was not treated badly here. She was perfect compared to the whole X-Men combined.

Axis was the least and she shouldn’t be in it. Everyone knows the reason for this. But you seem to not be happy because Polaris was not dragged together with Quicksilver and Magneto where they were bad written. I was happy with her tie in and that she was not involved. I have no complain whatsoever.

You said “Marvel never included Polaris with her family. Marvel always keep Polaris out of the Family”. I don’t know what Portrait you’re talking about, but better not be the fanart because Polaris is in every portrait of House of M. Just like a while ago you came saying “Oh my god Marvel put Polaris behind Magneto and the twins I mean, really? Be happy Marvel included her even if she was behind. You even mentioned before that you are afraid that Polaris won’t have a big part in the new House of M coming up and oops, There is a House of M cover with Polaris in the front and indicating she will be playing a big part in the new House of M. You always say things so then make yourself look wrong. That’s not me who’s making you look wrong that’s you putting yourself there.

You also keep saying about Claremont this and that who reduced her characterization in favor of Storm. Always downgrading Polaris and giving Storm all the props and this it’s hard for me to believe that you are a fan of Polaris. People can go to Comic Book Resources and see the “Appreciation” Lorna Dane thread and you are usually downgrading her characterization together with JMC247. The reason why I don’t be there because it’s full of haters and hypocrites. And I find it hard to believe you people are such fans of Lorna Dane. Especially that you think Marvel should’ve never gave the code name Polaris to Lorna. To you was better Magnetrix or something like that. Seriously you find everything wrong with what Marvel do or give to Polaris, but the reality is that Marvel is treating the X-Men worst than Polaris. And Polaris sounds better than Magnetrix or what ever.

Truly you can’t say the same thing about me not being a true Polaris fan because I never downgrade Polaris and always being positive no matter how bad you think it look to you. I don’t go to your review of Polaris and derail it despite how much I disagree with you. I just create mine with my OWN opinion just like you and everyone else does.

You block me? Warning me? Ha you can go ahead and do it because I truly don’t care. I won’t block you, but if this is how you feel you go ahead. I never block anyone and never will. I’m not the one with the problem so be my guess.

Now, if you really feel to say something to me I would like you to email me or take this privately, but do NOT derail my review. Thank you.

It is not a “review” to spend a whole post DEDICATED to making up things about me, twisting things I said, and fabricating things I never did. It doesn’t matter that you didn’t explicitly name me, that’s still EXACTLY what you did, and you know it.

You know what you’re doing is wrong. You’re STILL doing it, right this second. Trying to cover it up as “it’s just a review” does not magically make it a review when the entirety of your post is a roundabout smear campaign.

By the way, I haven’t been on ComicBookResources for MONTHS now. I left six months ago. For you to have seen ANY of my posts, you would’ve had to be there back in January. To have actually read a SIGNIFICANT number of my posts, enough to get any kind of impression of me – especially one as vicious and volatile as you display here – you would’ve had to watch the thread for longer than that.

And then, you went from acting like a friendly follower of a couple months to lying about me and twisting things I said to try to make me look bad in about zero seconds flat. And show no remorse for having done so whatsoever.

Which leads me to one conclusion: you are LoganAlpha from CBR, and dechra is an alt account you created to add to your smear campaign. Hi Logan.

I’m not taking this private because this is going to be my last discourse with you. At least under this name; we’ll see if you create another account and follow me with it.

I’m also well aware of your real intentions whenever you claim to be a Polaris fan: pushing Lorna back down into only being Havok’s girlfriend. On CBR as LoganAlpha, you’re a lot more obvious – badmouthing Lorna being a leader of her own team before the first issue of ANXF even released, insisting her spending time with Magneto will just put her in Magneto’s shadow, disparaging her spending time with Wanda and Pietro.

Here, you’re playing the “Marvel can do no wrong” card because if Marvel really does depower and undermine her, it makes it that much more likely she’ll revert back to “she’s Havok’s token girlfriend” as her sole identity. It’s in your interests to undermine me and any steps I take to combat Marvel keeping Lorna down.

And now with this post, I’m going to do on Tumblr exactly what I did toward you on CBR: ignore you. Because I’m not here to fight with you, I’m here to support Lorna, encourage Lorna fandom, and push Marvel to use her more and treat her better.

You will not stop me from doing that. I’m going to do everything in my power to keep the cycle that’s held her back for decades from repeating this time, and I’ll overcome any obstacles necessary to make that happen.

Goodbye.

Anyone following me that has a problem with things I say to the point where you would go out of your way to make up shit about me or twist things I’ve said to sound horrible, and see absolutely nothing wrong with doing that, tell me right fucking now.

Disagreeing with me is fine. Thinking things I’ve said are stupid is fine. Arguing with me about what is or isn’t important for a character, a franchise, what have you is fine. That’s all part of fandom. That’s all perfectly acceptable.

But if you’re going to fabricate words and actions I never said or did, and take the things I did say or do and make them twist them into something they’re not, and if you see nothing wrong with doing any of that, then I don’t want you in my followers list. I don’t want anything to do with you at all. Go away. Literally, unfollow me, and block me if you so desire.

I’m not just saying that for effect. I mean every word. I am not here for fandom abuse. I’m here to post the things I want to post, say things I think need to be said even if just as a precaution, and show my support for the things I care about.

I am not here for forced drama, and I am not here to be your punching bag. If you have a disagreement with me, by all means, disagree. But if you’re going to attack my entire character over it, and you think doing so is fine, then we’re done here.

retcons-aint-origin:

bitchybeautyboy:

This is the reason why Magneto did what he did. He saved his daughter
and going to sacrifice himself. It look like he’s going to die. At
least Polaris is going to live and it’s the reason why he did the
unacceptable, but there were no other choice. And no, Polaris is not
depowered otherwise Marvel was better off killing her, but they didn’t
(and there is a reason why Marvel didn’t killed her) as some people here
stated with their “theory”  a while ago.

Keep reading

HALLELUJAH

The possibility that Lorna got depowered there is not a “theory,” it’s a theory. I’m not telling anyone they have to believe it, and I’m not saying it’s necessarily true either. I’m saying it’s POSSIBLE, and that it’s important to keep an eye out in case it is.

That’s all.

When he says “Your gifts… become MINE,” that specific line reads like he’s saying he’s taking her powers, BUT, there is still enough vagueness for it to be false. As such, it can go either way. I explicitly said this in my post. I am obviously very happy she’s not dead, which I was worried might happen, but we have no conclusive proof yet she was or wasn’t depowered.

The “Lorna is Briar” theory: You either didn’t read my post when I made it, or are deliberately mangling what I said. I said it once. ONCE. And for that ONE TIME I said it, I said it was both ONE OF SEVERAL theories and EXTREMELY UNLIKELY. Yet, you make it out to be something I thought with absolute certainty was guaranteed to happen, and you make it sound like I went around spouting it off for months.

Avengers vs X-Men: So you’re glad she wasn’t in it. Okay then. That’s fine. Your opinion is your own. That doesn’t mean I have to be fine with it, and it doesn’t mean I have to consider it acceptable just because you do.

Axis: The problem here is representation. My concern isn’t the quality of Axis, my concern is that 1) Marvel decided to be dickish enough to try to make Enchantress look more like Lorna on a variant cover paired with Wanda instead of actually using Lorna, and 2) that the cover for All-New X-Factor #14, the cover that ACTUALLY showed Lorna and Wanda together, was withheld until a week before release while this was happening.

Children’s Crusade: Present day Lorna not showing up WAS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue was how Marvel went so far in trying to erase her from the family at that time, they even REDREW A PORTRAIT FROM HOUSE OF M just to remove her. EVERYONE ELSE WAS IN THE PORTRAIT EXCEPT LORNA. It wasn’t just that Lorna wasn’t around, it wasn’t just that they didn’t think about her, it was that they even wanted to remove her from having ever been a part of a major Magnus family event she was a meaningful part of.

Conclusion. You’re the second person now to take things I’ve said and twist them, fabricate things I never said and suggest I did things that never happened, all in a bid to badmouth me and say I’m “not a true Polaris fan.” But if you’re going to do all that just because you don’t like the thought that Marvel might do things that are bad for Lorna, then you’re no Polaris fan. A real fan of a character doesn’t launch smear campaigns full of outright lies and twisting of the truth on other fans of that character just because they don’t like what those other fans are saying.

I am perfectly fine with you disagreeing with me, but I am not okay with you making up shit about me or twisting things I’ve said and done to sound dumb or heinous. I WILL block you if that happens again, and I don’t care if you don’t care. This is my only warning.