Marvel Mighty Heroes And Trends International On Removing X-Men Characters – Bleeding Cool Comic Book, Movie, TV News

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Marvel Mighty Heroes And Trends International On Removing X-Men Characters – Bleeding Cool Comic Book, Movie, TV News

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If I wanted to see Scarlet Witch in Age of Apocalypse before, Age of Ultron made me REALLY want to see her. Although given the death of a certain silver haired cinnamon roll, I’m starting to guess that Marvel and Fox have a parent trap type deal like “K, you have Quicksilver, but Scar is ours.” Is it even possible that she could appear in the X-Men Cinematic Universe? I would KILL for a spin-off film focusing on Magneto, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Polaris. 

I NEED MY TWINS TOGETHER AGAIN!!

I wouldn’t be surprised if Fox and Disney/Marvel made such a deal, but if they did, Fox made a huge mistake. They’re the company that has control over the whole Magnus family, which means they could do a whole Magnus family direction including sister time with Lorna and Wanda. Right now, I also feel like I can safely say that any such deal made by Disney/Marvel is with malicious intent – meaning Disney/Marvel are doing it purely to try to hurt Fox rather than to move toward working things out with Fox.

I agree entirely. Especially on the point of it being malicious. Honestly, I do think Disney wants Fox to be damaged as much as possible. Which really sucks. Let Fox keep X-men and leave them be. 

My opinion of each company and the X-Men film rights is malleable. It can change depending on how well or poorly each company treats the X-Men franchise with the rights they have.

I’ve seen people claim Fox is the problem, but if they are, it’s behind closed doors. If there’s no way I can see and confirm it, why should I trust it? It’s all gossip and hearsay. I have to go by the evidence in front of me, and right now, the evidence says 1) Disney and Marvel are the bad actors in this situation, and 2) Fox appreciates and deserves the X-Men franchise far more than Disney and Marvel ever will.

Disney and Marvel constantly undermine and damage the Fantastic Four and X-Men franchises on their end. They tear down key figures in the X-Men franchise, like Magneto and Cyclops, to build up the Avengers. They undo decades of canon, as in the case of forcing a retcon to try to make Wanda and Pietro no longer Magneto’s kids, just to sever ties the X-Men franchise has with everything else in the Marvel universe. They let the Avengers franchise control and dictate the narrative of the X-Men franchise with stunts like Avengers vs X-Men, Axis and Havok’s anti-mutant speech alongside going out of the way to depict characters like Rogue horribly outside the X-books.

Disney and Marvel are even trying to replace the X-Men with the Inhumans. They’re trying to turn everything that defines the X-Men franchise into stuff the Inhumans control, while stripping those elements out of the X-Men franchise.

Disney and Marvel don’t appreciate or respect the Fantastic Four or X-Men franchises. Not one bit. If they did, they wouldn’t be going out of their way to ruin those franchises. Disney and Marvel would be treating the X-Men franchise as best as they could, to show by example that they’re better for the film rights than Fox.

My respect for Disney and Marvel is equal to the respect they show for things I care about. High respect leads to high respect, and disrespect earns disrespect. When Disney and Marvel are ready to treat the X-Men franchise better in the comics, I’ll be ready to trust they can be better for the film rights than Fox. Undoing their recent forced retcon on Wanda and Pietro’s parentage would be a good start.

More Whedon/Avengers Thoughts

The issues surrounding Joss Whedon leaving Twitter and the threats and harassment he received that led to him leaving Twitter continue.

I’m seeing stuff like this on my feed; click this link for a bigger view if needed.

I think what bugs me most here are the people with Scarlet Witch avatars, both MCU and comics Wanda, participating in the harassment.

There may be problems with the way a creator, editor, executive, etc does something, or decisions they make. I still don’t believe problems in the Avengers films are Whedon’s fault, but if others believe it’s his fault, it’s fair to complain and criticize and demand positive change. I’d say it’s even fair to say very negative, possibly insulting things in general forums and discussion.

It’s another story when you’re sending direct messages to a person telling them they’re trash, or that they’re human scum, or that they ruined your life. You’re no longer criticizing or just airing grievances. At that point, you’re sending targeted harassment and trying to make a person feel bad.

I’m not a Scarlet Witch fan right now; I’m a Polaris fan that loves the idea of Lorna and Wanda spending time together as sisters, one that had hoped Marvel would turn me into a Wanda fan by exposing me to Wanda’s good qualities through Lorna. I didn’t see Age of Ultron, either. I don’t have any right to say if most of the complaints are justified or not.

But as a Polaris fan, I know I wouldn’t want to see other fans sending targeted harassment like the examples above at anyone no matter how shitty they treated her. This is why I and other Lorna fans on ComicBookResources (CBR) 3 years ago stopped discussing comments made by one of Marvel’s editors in the Polaris thread. Some people were directly harassing that editor over his responses to questions and comments about Lorna.

Make no mistake: I’m NOT saying to be gentle and defang criticism if you have it. I’ve made no secret that I consider Motomu Toriyama at Square-Enix to be a sexist hack that’s ruined many great franchises. I’m someone that left CBR when their admin threatened to ban me just for saying the higher-ups at Disney and Marvel IN GENERAL, not even naming names, are being greedy and selfish.

If your complaints are justified, you do not need to mob Joss Whedon or any other person with targeted harassment like this. All you need to do is spread word about why it’s wrong, not give the company money until they get their shit together, and urge others to follow your lead.

You don’t even have to boycott everything a company does. Don’t like what they did to your favorite character in Age of Ultron, but love the new female Thor? Then keep reading female Thor, which shows you support that direction, but refuse to see Age of Ultron, which shows you have a serious problem with what they did there. If it’s serious enough to you, you can boycott more; I’m refusing to touch anything Marvel right now unless it features Polaris, with possible exceptions to other X-Men comics, because of what they did to the Magnus family in the comics. It’s not all or nothing. You have options.

Marvel also likes to denigrate fan reaction to complaints, but don’t be fooled; they know the power fans have and they’re afraid. But there’s a “good” fear and a “bad” fear. You want the “good” fear, where they’re losing money and public perception of them is taking a serious hit until they shape up. You do NOT want “bad” fear, where you look like a bully trying to terrorize people until you get your way.

The latter is dangerous. It’s especially dangerous today, because people opposed to positive change, positive depictions use those latter cases as ammunition for the idea that culture should regress. Look at GamerGate.

I will probably have more to say in the future. This is all I have to say at the moment.

So I’m curious if they wanted to keep the continuity in the comics then the issue lies with Century Twentieth Fox and Marvel. Marvel did a dick move with the comics but has Fox done anything in their own right to mess things up? Shouldn’t there be emphasis on the studios working together? Rather than Marvel destroying its comic continuity and getting over their rival with Fox Studios.

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The problem here is that Marvel doesn’t have a good relationship with Fox (some say it comes all the way from the negotiations over those movie rights in the 90′s, that Marvel ended up getting too little for them or something). The consequence of that is that Marvel doesn’t make as much money from cartoons, toys, and other merchandise of X-Men and Fantastic Four as they do from stuff they own the full rights to, like Avengers and GotG, or Spider-Man, which they now share with Sony (we don’t know the full details of any of this, but it’s what we get from what people who work at Marvel, like Brevoort, have said on the subject). They’re a big company that are in this for the money, so why would they put their dollars in something that would barely bring them any return? It makes sense from a business point of view. 

As much as we hate the changes Marvel is going through and want to lash out at all this nonsense, they’re not doing this to screw with Fox, or because they think it’s a better story, like they claim. They’re doing this because it’s better for their business to have a cohesive universe where the characters who are part of the Avengers or the Guardians on the comics are mostly the same as the general audience can see on the movies, where the origins of said characters might not be the same in both universes, but they’re not so disparate either. So, yes, while part of the reason they changed the Maximoffs’ origins so they’re no longer mutants or Magneto’s kids is, in a way, to avoid connections to Fox and sending curious fans and their money their way, the main reason is that they believe turning the comics into a universe that is closer to what the MCU fans recognize than it has been so far will bring over more readers their way.

In conclusion: capitalism sucks.

My own addendum: in addition to capitalism, Disney and Marvel increasingly suck too.

I understand their “logic,” it’s just that it’s stupid ass “logic” that’s only hurting themselves and giving no greater or even equal payoff in return. If it’s hurting Fox at all, the damage is incredibly minor, while Disney and Marvel are ruining their own franchises and pushing away customers they don’t need to lose. Even the “logic” of doing it to attract movie fans is shoddy, because nearly all the movie fans will do whatever they were going to do regardless.

Disney and Marvel are essentially doing the equivalent of turning away thousands of fans they could very easily keep by not ruining anything in order to add a little extra charm to wooing a few hundred potential new fans.

Whedon, Twitter, Attacks

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Joss Whedon deleted his Twitter account today. From what I can gather, it’s because of a lot of harassment and death threats he’s received, and Twitter’s continuing inability to stop such behavior.

There are at least two groups I’m aware of that are responsible for that behavior: GamerGate and its kind that hate any kind of positive depiction and treatment of women (as well as Whedon himself for speaking out against them), and some pro-diversity types that blame Whedon for Disney/Marvel’s decisions and are stupid and awful enough to send such attacks.

For GamerGate and its kind, taking Joss Whedon down is an achievement. His history with Buffy the Vampire Slayer and subsequent view of him as a major feminist icon, as well as his fame for Firefly and the Avengers films, have all made him a potential obstacle for GamerGate types to “neutralize.” Take him down, so the thinking goes, and a lot of feminists and women in general will be disheartened and more submissive to anything oppressive or that treats and depicts women poorly.

Of course, it would be horrible not to admit that some diversity and feminist people are in the mix too. I’ve seen tweets and Tumblr posts blaming Whedon and only Whedon for things like Wanda and Pietro getting whitewashed in Age of Ultron, or for Vision getting added and not Black Panther.

For that latter group, while it’s possible Whedon has some blame and at the very least permits such things in his film, you have to keep in mind that Whedon is not the one in control. Marvel is in control of the films, and Disney is in control of Marvel.

Whitewashing Wanda and Pietro isn’t something Whedon decided to do, it’s something Disney and Marvel decided to do. Just like Disney and Marvel decided to force a stupid retcon that suddenly made Wanda and Pietro not Magneto’s kids anymore. The heart of the problem isn’t one man that’s done with the Marvel films after Age of Ultron, the problem is the companies that hired him and set demands upon him, just like they set demands on Edward Norton, Mickey Rourke and Edgar Wright.

And even if Whedon had been responsible, that still does not in any way justify death threats and harassment.

Now that Joss Whedon left Twitter, the GamerGate crowd is doing something very predictable: they’re trying to make it look like they had no hand in running Joss Whedon off Twitter, and trying to make it sound like he left Twitter because people that support social justice “turned on him.”

If you’re just an average person, keep that in mind. The GamerGate crowd is one that’s far worse. They’ll doxx and SWAT people on top of sending death threats and harassment, then pretend they had absolutely no hand in it and try to pin the blame on their “enemies.” With the exception of good people tricked into supporting GamerGate by their spin and lies, GamerGaters are a slimy, horrid, manipulative bunch. They will do whatever it takes short of actually committing murder, rape or assault to get their way.

Though I will add that I think Joss Whedon receiving enough death threats and attacks for him to leave Twitter the immediate weekend after Age of Ultron is yet another of the many cracks in the Marvel Cinematic Universe plan starting to show.

That’s all I have to say at the moment.

Why I Support Fox Keeping the X-Men Film Rights

I’ve been saying this a lot in isolated cases on Twitter and Tumblr, I think it’s time I write a dedicated Tumblr post.

I currently support Fox keeping the X-Men film rights, and keeping themselves far away from Marvel and its Cinematic Universe. I’ll be covering three topics.

1) Disney/Marvel doesn’t appreciate or respect the X-Men franchise
2) Disney/Marvel would NEVER use Polaris with her family in the MCU, and doesn’t respect her anyway
3) The MCU is going to crash and burn anyway around 2020

1) Disney/Marvel doesn’t appreciate or respect the X-Men franchise

Everyone that reads comics already knows all about the forced retcon of Scarlet Witch (Wanda) and Quicksilver (Pietro) out of being Magneto’s kids. There’s more going on than that.

Every crossover event is specifically designed to give the Avengers franchise a boost and tear out or ruin something about the X-Men franchise. Avengers vs X-Men was set up to kill off Professor Xavier, turn key X-Men figures like Cyclops into terrorist villain types, and give the Avengers franchise more authority in pulling stunts like Havok’s “don’t call us mutants“ speech in the Avengers books. Axis permitted the Avengers franchise to turn Genosha into an Avengers location, use Professor Xavier’s mind to fuel hate, and to make Magneto look bad.

Marvel won’t make X-Men cartoons or video games anymore. The last one was an under-the-radar anime, and the last one before that was Wolverine and the X-Men, which they canceled very shortly after Disney took over despite having all of season 2 and even part of season 3 planned.

Marvel is even trying to hide the X-Men franchise where they think they can get away with it. San Diego Comic Con, they provided no dedicated panel for the X-Men; it was only shown when paired with Avengers. This is compared to how they had a panel dedicated to Spider-Verse when at the time, the X-Men had four more books coming out than all of Spider-Verse. Further, when Days of Future Past came out, Marvel 1) didn’t try to get people to read X-Men comics to turn them into Marvel fans, and 2) kept Quicksilver off the covers for All-New X-Factor while it was in theaters.

2) Disney/Marvel would NEVER use Polaris with her family in the MCU, and doesn’t respect her anyway

During Children’s Crusade, the Avengers books had a House of M portrait redrawn to remove Lorna.

During Avengers vs X-Men, Lorna only appeared as a nameless cameo, one that her entire family ignored – even to the point where Magneto ignored her being mind-controlled into submission by Emma Frost, even though he’d just gone into space to rescue her.

During Axis, Lorna was segregated only to All-New X-Factor and kept from being anywhere near the main events… while the variant for Axis #1 was specifically designed to make Enchantress look more like Polaris, by recoloring her blonde hair as green and Wanda’s brown hair as red.

During No More Humans, Wanda and Pietro got to be with their father Magneto, but once again, Lorna was nowhere to be seen.

When Peter David provided us with Lorna and Wanda spending time as sisters for the first time in 10 years, Marvel not only didn’t promote it, but withheld the cover until less than a week before release – when it would be too late for most casual fans to find out and preorder a copy.

All of the above is in addition to general lack of respect for Lorna. She was excluded completely from the X-Men amalgam covers meant to celebrate the franchise’s history, yet Havok got to be on it, even though Lorna was created BEFORE Havok (back in 1968) and was the first female X-Men member to join after Jean Grey. X-Factor #243 by Peter David gave us Lorna’s origin story, something she’d lacked for over 40 years, and it got no promotion. Imagine if Storm went for 4 decades without an origin story, then she finally got one and Marvel did nothing to promote it.

If Marvel were to somehow strike a deal with Fox or get the X-Men film rights back, I can guarantee you based on their activity when they don’t have those film rights that they would completely exclude Polaris.

Marvel acknowledges and respects characters like Havok, Rogue, Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops. They do not acknowledge and respect Polaris. If they did, she would get to do more and be more involved than she currently is, and they sure as hell wouldn’t have excluded her from her family or refused to promote stuff where she does spend time with them.

They would never use Polaris. They would only use those other characters they consider “more important” and “more deserving” of use and respect than her. They’ve allowed a lot of great depictions for her lately, but great depictions are not the same thing as taking part in major events, promotion, or getting to be included with her family.

By contrast, Fox owning the film rights means they have to make do with what they have. They have to look within the X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises and ONLY those franchises for options. That improves Lorna’s odds of getting used with her family.

Nevermind the fact that Disney is obsessed with the idea that Marvel is “for boys only” with their films, as people have noted the serious lack of both female superheroine representation and merchandise when it comes to the MCU. That means we’re unlikely to ever see Lorna and Wanda together as sisters in the current MCU no matter what happens.

3) The MCU is going to crash and burn around 2020

We’re already seeing it in motion, and I predicted this well before the signs appeared.

Marvel has a huge cinematic universe. DC has a huge cinematic universe coming up. Disney’s going to do it with Star Wars. Sony had that plan for the Spider-Man films. Universal is considering one for its monsters. The hot new trend for films is massive cinematic universes where films interact and build off each other.

All these cinematic universes already mean an absurd amount of demand for consumer dollars, and with prices and the economy as they are as well as how much supporting media is out there, there’s just no way people will be able to hold on like they have. The Marvel Cinematic Universe got lucky because they were the first to try something on the scale they did; they’re not so special anymore once everyone else is doing it.

And we’re now getting to the real meat of why the MCU is going to crash and burn: way, way, WAAAAY too much saturation. We’re going to have three films per year. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is on the air, as well as Agent Carter. There’s Daredevil, with four others planned. The Avengers film about the Infinity Gems is going to be a two-parter.

This is overkill. I don’t care how optimistic you are and how much you love the MCU, the average person is not nearly as devoted. There’s a reason the Superman, Batman, X-Men, Spider-Man, etc films started off strong and eventually wound up putting out box office and critical bombs.

I’m a big video game fan. I’m VERY aware of what happens when you oversaturate a market. Activision completely killed the music game genre for half a decade by pumping out too many Guitar Hero games. Rock Band and Guitar Hero games are coming out this year, and we still don’t know how successful they’ll be.

By contrast, Fox isn’t doing anything nearly as over-ambitious. They have a Fantastic Four film. They have X-Men: Apocalypse and a Gambit film in the works. While Marvel’s busy overloading the market, Fox is pacing itself, and they’ve presented the X-Men franchise JUST different enough that it’s not entirely a “superhero” genre film series anymore. Days of Future Past is proof of that.

And aside from all the above, there is increasingly more and more judgment and flak aimed at the MCU. Some of this is purely because it’s so successful right now, success often causes people to be more critical than they normally are. But the thing is, a critical eye leads people to see flaws. Flaws lead to loss of interest, which leads to a smaller audience and a loss of sales. Not listening to criticism is even more damning, and Disney has shown no signs of a willingness to listen to anyone about anything until it’s too late.

In conclusion

I’m not saying Fox is the best most awesome company ever. I’m not saying Marvel couldn’t do the family better if it really tried.

I’m saying I trust Fox far, far more than Disney/Marvel.

Disney/Marvel has demonstrated repeatedly that it does not respect the X-Men, the Magnus family, or Polaris herself. In the comics, Disney/Marvel are willing to undermine and sacrifice the entire X-Men franchise and things like 30 years of family relationships just because it wants a little more money.

Disney/Marvel have visibly demonstrated by their actions that they can take or leave the franchise, and they don’t deserve it anyway. If they cared about it in any way, they wouldn’t be destroying it in the comics. They would be making a solid case for why they’re better for the franchise, so that fans would be inclined to boycott the X-Men films until Fox makes a deal with Marvel.

Which is where I sit on the issue. Disney and Marvel haven’t done anything to woo me to them. They’ve only pushed me away. I’ll be happy to support Marvel getting the film rights back or Fox striking a favorable deal for them as soon as Disney/Marvel give me a reason to trust they’re better for the franchise, the Magnus family and Polaris than Fox.

Until then, I’m going to support Fox. They may do stupid and awful things like turn Pietro into Peter, but at the end of the day, they’re the only chance we’ll see the Magnus family. Disney and Marvel have already shown us there isn’t a snowball’s chance in Hell they’ll ever give us that under their current leadership.

Disney burying the X-Men – Business Insider

This article by Business Insider illustrates a lot of things X-Men fans have noticed, but which Marvel’s executives desperately want people to believe are merely “conspiracy theories.” They want the stigma of being labeled such to keep people from acknowledging obvious signs of Marvel’s intent.

They’re not even trying to cover up their efforts to diminish and undermine franchises for which Fox owns the film rights anymore. When word got out that Marvel put a ban on Marvel sketch cards depicting anything Fantastic Four, they tried to deny it. Now, XM Studios is told to reduce X-Men products and they don’t try to make excuses other than “conspiracy theory.” They think everyone’s stupid.

This behavior is why I’m not reading female Thor or Ms. Marvel, and why I’m not seeing any of Marvel’s films anymore. I’ve seen Polaris robbed of her relationships with her siblings Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, books she’s on undermined, and events she has a huge stake in like Axis not include her, and I KNOW it’s because of this film rights wankery. That’s why I increasingly see Marvel as toxic. I don’t want to throw my money at companies that disgust me by ruining things I love because the people running the show are unconscionably egotistical and greedy.

Disney burying the X-Men – Business Insider

Just to be a dick, I’ve decided that the Wanda and Pietro we see in Axis #7, and every Wanda and Pietro we see after that issue, are not actually Wanda and Pietro at all but impostors. 😀 Does it make sense? Nope! None  whatsoever! But it makes more sense than what Brevoort and Remender did anyway, so I may as well go with it.