peppermonster:

Yes, let’s talk about the brief (ok, 20-ish years) history where Wanda and Pietro’s father was Whizzer and their mother was Miss America. Let’s talk about all the compelling stories and events that Marvel put out featuring that family dynamic and how it shaped the characters. Let’s talk about all the people who relate to that or are fascinated by that family dynamic. Let’s talk about how that family compelled the characters and their very identities. Go……..

Ok, now that we talked about how absolutely no one cares about the Whizzer or found that family dynamic compelling, let’s talk about the 30 years of Magneto being their father.

Let’s talk about all the stories, comics, and events that revolve around Magneto being the father of the twins. Let’s talk about how compelling and interesting that family’s disorder is. Let’s talk about how those character were shaped by their relationship. Let’s talk about every decision and alliance they have made in the last 30 years have revolved around their family. Let’s talk about House of M, Children’s Crusade, Magneto Not a Hero…let’s talk about how for as long as the target audience of 18-35 year old readers have been alive Magneto has been their father.

Yes, let’s bring up a retcon done 30+ years ago to clean up their convoluted backstory, to try and discredit our objections today. Let’s keep up these false comparisons. Because that is not patronizing and insulting to us.

Yes, let’s.
#pietromaximoff #wandamaximoff #quicksilver #scarletwitch #magneto #axis7 #marvel #marvelusedtomatter #marvelusedtomeansomething

lorna-maximoff:

peppermonster:

I actually own this. The original pencils for this page. It’s by Clay Munn from Magneto Not a Hero, and @hopelessromanticgeek got it for me this past #NYCC as my Christmas present. So…this probably puts into perspective for you as to why I might be just a little bit upset over what @marvel and Rick Remender have done with Axis 7 and them retconing this family all because of their fucking shit movie.
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This family meant everything to me.
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#marvelusedtomeansomething
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#marvel #scarletwitch #quicksilver #pietromaximoff #wandamaximoff #magneto #axis7 #NeverForgiveNeverForget #maximoffs

so much love for peppermonster.

the only thing that bugs me about this scene is no Lorna! But why? She’s an X-men team member and this was when Magneto joined the X-men!

I agree that Lorna should’ve been in this, though that doesn’t change at all the spirit of Wanda and Pietro as Magneto’s children and how awful it is that Disney forced this change. Disney’s higher-ups didn’t think of anyone but themselves.

peppermonster:

Today’s mood: despair. Axis 7 came out yesterday and pretty much obliterated my life. 30 years of my life. 30 years Pietro and Wanda were the twins of Magneto. Mutants. Of Romani and Jewish decent. Now they are none of those things. The whole mess was done, why, because Marvel/Disney is a whore and is upset that Fox has the rights to mutants, so they changed the characters for the film. That much is acceptable legal tape stuff. But they then went in and those fucking bastards changed the characters IN THE COMICS to better be aligned with their stupid movie. WHY? Why not just let the movies be movies and leave the comics to their 75 years worth of fucking history? This wasn’t a needed retcon. This wasn’t a fix for outdated tripe. This wasn’t a bad story we are pretending never happened. This was a family dynamic that defined the characters since 1984!!! The whole House of M means nothing now. The Children’s Crusade means nothing! All New X-factor? Worthless now. Lorna and Pietro boding was for nothing. Wanda’s attempts to crawl out of the hole Bendis dug for her? Remender just kicked her right the fuck back in. Who needs a strong female character who represents Minorities and persecution when we can just rape her, throw her under the bus to enhance man pain, remove her ethnic identities, her parentage, her identity, and say “hey, at least we’ll see more of her!” That’s great. More of Wanda being tortured and blamed. Now she might not be a mutant? Great. That will really win the mutants over when they found out their decimation was at the hands of a non-mutant. Pietro looking just like Erik? Trick of the light this whole time. Wanda looking like Magda? Strange coincidence! Years of their life a lie? Why not. Aren’t we all just so entertained!

I am not entertained. Pietro is Erik’s son. Wanda is Erik’s daughter. They are mutants. Their sister is Lorna. Fuck you, Marvel. Fuck you and your movies and your retcones. This isn’t a victimless crime. You are taking minority characters away from an audience who desperately needs them! This isn’t a costume change or new name. This isn’t a mantel exchange or a progression of a character. This is a big middle finger.

I really wish that sending Brevoort feedback would help, but have you looked at his tumblr? The guy couldn’t care less

fuckyeahwandamaximoff:

Ah, yes, the few lovely messages of outrage he chose to address just to treat the distraught fans like hysterical Veruca Salts and joke about it. Classical Tom.

I’ve received a few messages about how we can’t fight against Hollywood; I’ll reply to them all here. Yes, intellectually, I know there is very little chance our small campaign will ever get big enough to influence Disney and Marvel into putting things where they belong, to stop disregarding their loyal fanbase that has been reading their comics for decades. Because the truth is, we don’t matter. Most of their money now comes from their movies, cartoons, toys, and such (which is why boycotting the movie would be a much more effective form of protest). But emotionally? We need this. We need to believe we’re not completely powerless against entertainment conglomerates and their needs, we need to believe we’re not puppets whose strings can be pulled at any moment, that we have agency and that our voices are heard. We need to believe that Marvel will acknowledge what a mess they’re making here, the same way they acknowledged what a terrible decision it was to reveal Spider-Man’s secret identity during Civil War, and similar events. Otherwise, what was the point of dedicating so much time, money, and emotional attachment to these characters?

Actually, what we do is far more powerful and important than a lot of these guys want us to think.

This is supposedly a “drop in the bucket.” But it’s not. The outrage is palpable, and even if we assumed nothing will come of this outrage, Disney won’t stop here. They never do. They’ll keep doing things exactly like this until it’s so overwhelming that they’ll either have to stop being stupid and listen to fans, or let the company slowly die.

What Disney’s doing here is the same scenario as what happened with Capcom and Square-Enix. Disrespect toward fans, greed and ego motivated changes, the works. It took Square-Enix 10 years to have it come back on them. It took Capcom only 3-4 years. It happened because stuff like this isn’t an isolated incident. Stuff like this is a symptom of a systematic problem the company has deeply ingrained into the way it operates, and the company will keep doing things just like this. It’s impossible for them to go about it otherwise. They would literally have to overhaul everything about themselves, and the first order of business would have to be making Wanda and Pietro into children of Magneto again.

It would be unrealistic to expect Disney to set themselves right in just a few weeks or months. These things have to be measured in years.

Wanda and Pietro were retconned into being Magneto’s children in the first place.

fuckyeahwandamaximoff:

They were. 35 years ago. Which means they were only someone else’s children for 15 years. Making Wanda and Pietro Magneto’s children is one of the best things Marvel has ever done. It created conflict, enriched the storytelling possibilities for all three characters, made Magneto a more relatable character, was responsible for creating a whole generation of Maximoff fans… And now they’re asking us to pretend none of that ever mattered.

I’d actually dare to say that Disney aren’t asking us to do anything, because they currently don’t care about us at all. If they did, they wouldn’t have pulled something as asinine as this. No, Disney only cares about two things: their egos and their greed.

They’re stupid and selfish enough to think what they did yesterday will 1) hurt Fox, and 2) maybe make Disney a few extra bucks. They don’t think about us at all or what we’ll do. They think we’ll keep throwing money at them forever no matter what they do, that they’re untouchable. They’re about to learn otherwise.