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My Attitude/Pessimism Toward Marvel
I’m tired but can’t sleep. That means writing a post about Polaris and my general pessimism toward Marvel.
I’m putting this behind a cut because I know some people out there don’t want to see it, and I won’t push it on them when they search. Others have probably seen it over and over and are sick to death of seeing it. Here I go.
I’m extremely pessimistic about Marvel these days. I expect a mix of nothing, backhanded/sabotaged use, and empty gestures that function in the most technical sense possible but don’t actually amount to anything.
Preface: when I note a specific person, do not harass them. I am not just saying this. I mean it. Harassment is bad. It sucks. Don’t do it.
Introduction to Marvel
I learned about Polaris in 2009. I’ve been putting up with Marvel’s behavior for the past 8 years. I’m jaded and pissed off.
When I discovered her, it was at the precise moment when Marvel was shutting down the good things going for her and trying to discard her in space. I loved Jeff Parker’s Exiles run. They abruptly shut it down after six issues; Jeff Parker even had most of a script for issue #7 done when they did it. I loved Lorna’s presence in the Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon. They abruptly canceled it after one season, despite the team having plans as far out as season 3.
My introduction to Marvel’s attitude toward her was already on a sour note. In spite of it, I entered into Marvel with optimism. I naively thought that perhaps with enough positivity and shows of support, things would change.
But then I got to Tom Brevoort. Presently Senior Vice President of Publishing.
Introduction to Editorial/Executive Individuals
Back around 2012, Brevoort was very openly negative toward Polaris. When the matter of Lorna’s parentage came out, he was more than happy to try to claim Lorna couldn’t possibly be Magneto’s daughter, yet somehow Siryn could be Banshee’s daughter, with some convoluted excuse about “genetics breeding true.” When someone asked about Polaris possibly being in the Avengers vs X-Men event, his response was to say that Lorna couldn’t be part of it because “events are only for A-listers and B-listers.” Meaning he blew off any potential value she could have to the story, and looked down on her as a “lesser” character.
This is in addition to Brevoort bending over backwards to exclude her from family events in things like Children’s Crusade.
My first experience with someone at Marvel in an editorial/executive role was someone who had nothing but contempt for my favorite character and looked for any excuses he could find to devalue her and exclude her from anything he could.
Handling Lorna’s Return From Space
At the time I got into her, Marvel comics had Lorna shoved into space, same with Rachel Summers and Havok. You know how important they seemed to see her? They kept her in space limbo for a year. A full year lost, because according to what I’ve read, the X-Men and space offices didn’t know who had control of the characters.
Think about that. If this was someone like Wolverine or Storm, they would’ve been on top of making sure who could use them. Instead, they cared so little that they spent a year just letting her hang with no writers able to use her.
When they did finally bring her back? They shoved her back onto X-Factor.
X-Factor
Now, a lot of people love X-Factor, and they love Peter David. I understand that. I had a volatile start here, and if I’m completely honest, I didn’t give Peter David a fair shot before judging at the time. But I need to explain why I was volatile over this.
Polaris was in X-Factor in the 90s. She had a lot of major development afterward. She joined her father Magneto and her step-siblings on Genosha, developing her powers, gaining vital skills, building a reputation. She survived the genocide and dealt with trauma afterward. She lost her powers from Scarlet Witch stripping them from her. Got them back when Apocalypse forced her to become Pestilence. She went through Hell.
… Then Marvel decided to kick her back down to where she was before all of that development. They shoved her back on her old 90s team. Forced her to remain Havok’s supporting girlfriend. The reveal cover even had her standing behind Havok to drive this point home.
To me, it felt like a symbolic “fuck you” to everything Lorna suffered through, all the growth she had, all the ways she established her own character.
This was my first experience with, in my eyes, Marvel technically fulfilling something I and other fans wanted while undermining it. Fans wanted her back from space. They brought her back from space… then put her on a book that at first glance turned back the clock on all her development, and with a writer who is deeply opposed to characters he’s writing being involved in crossovers and broader Marvel events if he can help it.
Marvel traded exile in space for exile on X-Factor. They didn’t solve the problem. They just changed where the problem existed.
But like I said. I don’t think I gave Peter David a fair shot at the time. He did do some good things.
Sabotaged Milestones
I want to note going into this that I had some major problems with some of Peter David’s writing. I was very upset when he wrote Lorna saying he could do without seeing her father for the rest of her life; giving Marvel an excuse to never use that relationship. All-New X-Factor #3-6 also treated Lorna very, very poorly. It lacked empathy in writing her “rage” moments, and undermined her leadership to make Gambit look better.
I wanted to get that out of the way for context.
X-Factor #243 told Lorna’s origin story. She’d gone over 40 years without it being told. And it was good! Much better than I expected.
All-New X-Factor let Lorna lead a team in her own right! It also took over 40 years to happen. Until then, she only got to be “replacement leader” for other characters’ absences.
All-New X-Factor in general let her interact with Quicksilver, and #14 let her interact with Scarlet Witch! It was the first time she got to spend time with her siblings in around 10 years.
… And Marvel refused to promote any of it.
Marvel did nothing to promote Lorna’s origin story getting told after 40 years of Marvel never telling it. They didn’t promote ANXF at all. When ANXF #14 was coming out, they went so far in trying to keep people from knowing about it that they withheld its cover until a week before release. Too late for most people to order it. Not to mention it was the second issue of a double shipping month.
But wait. It doesn’t just stop there. It also goes into Marvel trying to use attributes of Lorna while refusing to actually use Lorna herself.
“Replacing” Lorna, Not Using Her
At the same time as ANXF #14′s release, Marvel had promoted Axis with a cover months in advance of Scarlet Witch paired with Enchantress, with Wanda’s hair tinted red and Enchantress’ hair tinted green. So basically? While Marvel tried to bury ANXF #14 happening, they tried to exploit the visual of Lorna and Wanda to sell more copies of Axis.
Then, after Axis forced a retcon that made Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver suddenly not Magneto’s kids anymore, Marvel decided to do something else dickish. They created a character called Luminous, to be a “sister” to Wanda and Pietro.
That’s not one, but two times Marvel – mainly the Avengers side, meaning most likely Brevoort – tried to replace Lorna instead of actually using her. One, a character they saw as “more worthy,” and another brand new character they created for the sole purpose of occupying the role she had. That’s how much Marvel looked down on Lorna: they decided they’d rather create a character than use her.
Forced Limbo
Marvel canceled All-New X-Factor “due to low sales.” Notably, when they put out the Scarlet Witch solo, they let that book last for a year despite having sales just as low starting with issue #2.
The last time we saw Lorna in anything before her return this year was Secret Wars in 2015. At the time, I was excited. She was going to be able to interact with her father. Her broad family ties were acknowledged with Secret Wars: House of M. Various alternate reality versions of her had cameos.
I started dreading that Marvel doing so much for her all at once was a sign they planned to throw her into limbo afterward, and this was just to smooth things over before they did. I kept it to myself though because I wanted to believe Marvel intended to do better by her from that point onward.
Except I was right.
For two years, Marvel kept her in forced limbo. No appearances. No cameos. Nothing. The absolute most she got in that time was Sabretooth talking about how she smelled. Marvel looked at interest in Lorna, and for two years said “Fuck her, let’s use literally anyone else.”
Oh, but she’s back now, so it’s all fine! Right?
No. It’s not.
Beneath Men On Return (X-Men Blue)
Her first appearance this year was an alternate future in Deadpool and the Mercs for Money. There, she wore an all green costume with Magneto’s helmet and Magneto’s chest element. At the time, I made the mistake of supporting it. I should have seen and treated it as a bad omen of things to come.
When she finally got re-introduced with X-Men Blue #8 and #9, I was pretty damned jaded by Marvel. After everything I explained above, after two years of forced limbo, I expected she would briefly appear and then get thrown back into forced limbo. It turns out, how she’s been written and still being written makes me wish Bunn would stop writing her.
X-Men Blue #8 spends a ton of time building up Havok. He gets to be a threat to the teen X-Men. He gets to lead a brand new team of his own. He gets to interact with Briar Raleigh and get introduced as working with Emma Frost. He gets to establish connections. He gets all of this.
Then Polaris gets introduced. And how is she introduced? With dialogue exclusively emphasizing that Havok is her ex. And a description text box that describes as only one thing: “Daughter of Magneto.”
Think about that. Imagine Havok bursts into a room Polaris is in and all he says is “I know you were my girlfriend, but I won’t let my feelings for you hold me back.” Imagine Magneto shows up, and the only thing Marvel thinks you should know about him is “Father of Polaris.” Nothing else.
X-Men Blue #9 proceeds to reinforce this. It takes great pains to re-frame Lorna’s long-held “Mistress of Magnetism” title into looking like something she’s only allowed to have because Magneto is her father. When Lorna uses her powers to make two team members leave, one of them says it’s a sign she’s definitely Magneto’s daughter.
Because, y’know, a silly woman like Polaris couldn’t possibly want to do that of her own accord. It must be because of her daddy. Right?
Then, in a future issue (I think the next one), Bunn writes Lorna acting surprised by an attack on the team’s base – just so he can write Magneto “correcting” her about how attacks can come at any moment.
This is Polaris. A woman who’s been attacked out of nowhere repeatedly for decades. She survived a genocidal massacre that came out of nowhere and killed millions, for fuck’s sake. There’s no way in hell she’s going to not expect an attack while in a base of operations. She wasn’t safe in the heart of Genosha, she’s not going to think a piddling mansion will somehow be safer. I found this very insulting as a whole.
In the latest event, Lorna is put in the Malice costume at one point. Her reaction can be summarized as “Oh wow, this is one weird costume alright! How strange. Oh well.” While the scene is designed to heavily emphasize Mutant Massacre, the horror of dead mutants in the sewers, and Magneto’s outright about it.
Here’s the thing. Malice possessed Lorna and used her body to hurt and kill people, including those she loved. She was a passenger in her own body, forced to witness the horror of it all. For Lorna to have no kind of real reaction at all is insulting. The book plays it like it’s just for fun and thrills and doesn’t care at all about how Lorna would actually behave.
And something that doesn’t help is occasionally forcing dialogue where Lorna says ‘father’ or ‘dad’ in spots that are completely unnatural, just to remind everyone that he’s above her in that fashion. As I write this, I’m trying to remember if I saw Magneto refer to Lorna as “daughter” like this at any point.
The consistent pattern in everything Bunn’s done with Lorna so far is this: “Magneto and Havok are great, Lorna is beneath them and that’s the only value she has as a character.”
Odds and Ends
I’ve said a lot here, but there’s some pieces throughout the years that didn’t fit above.
The X-Men franchise had its anniversary in 2013. Marvel made covers meant to combine into one big image. Polaris was on none of them. Yet, Marvel included Havok alongside four of the original five X-Men on one cover.
In general, Marvel has been forcing Havok into every major development for Lorna while never raising her profile when things happen for Havok. When he went to Uncanny Avengers, the most she came up was unnamed as a “crazy girlfriend” he’s glad to be away from.
Yet, when Lorna’s origin story was told, Havok got to be involved. When Lorna led a team of her own, Havok got to be forced in as spying on her via Quicksilver with the reason being that Havok in sum thinks she’s not smart enough to avoid being taken advantage of by Harrison Snow. And then X-Men Blue, where he got to be the primary focus of what was being played up and promoted as Lorna’s big return after 2 years of forced limbo.
With regard to Avengers vs X-Men, Brevoort did technically relent to include her… as a nameless cameo. Who gets mind-controlled into submission by Emma Frost. And who Magneto completely ignores being treated that way after having gone into space to help rescue Lorna just a month prior.
When Occasional Good Isn’t Enough
As you may be picking up here, Marvel did allow some good things for Lorna during these past 8 years.
She returned from space. Magneto is her father. She got to interact with Wanda and Pietro. She got her origin story told. She got to lead a team of her own. She got her first playable appearances in video games. She got a figurine after a decade without one and lots of fan demand in top 10 lists. Arguably (cause Nix took the initiative to ask to use her), Marvel allowed her to be a star on Gifted, which is the best writing she’s had in a long time.
A person might look at the good stuff she’s managed to get in the past 8 years and think: what’s the deal? Why be pessimistic and negative about Marvel when they’ve done good things for her in that time?
Here’s the thing. Doing the occasional good thing does not undo massive heapings of bad that happen at the same time. If you burn down my house, giving me a brand new car isn’t going to bring my house back, nor is it anything close to a replacement for what I lost.
I’m not “ungrateful,” I just don’t let the rare nice thing from Marvel blind me to all the times they’ve screwed over the character I care about and keep doing it. I don’t let the occasional nice thing make me forget that Marvel’s spent most of her nearly 50 years of existence cheating her out of everything she can be.
My attitude toward Marvel is a reflection of Marvel’s attitude toward what I care about.
Some people are quick to play nice over that occasional good. I see doing so as a mistake. It’s giving Marvel permission to keep treating Lorna poorly as long as they throw a tiny breadcrumb over every so often. I think it’s part of what’s allowed Marvel to hold her back for literal decades. They don’t have to do anything more than the bare minimum if the bare minimum looks like it’s enough for Polaris fans.
Some people are afraid Marvel will at some point “punish” demanding more from Marvel after the occasional good. My stance is this: if Marvel is genuine, if they really want to do right by Lorna, then they’ll try to do right by her no matter what I say. If they try to tear down Lorna for things I’ve said, then they were lying any time they said they support her or that they said they try to be a good writer/editor. At which point they require more criticism and complaint, not less.
This post was long, but necessary for me. I needed to say all this.
Polaris (Lorna Dane) fan soundtrack!
Hello! Okay. In March this year, I created a Polaris fan soundtrack. Now that it’s been 8 months and we have more people looking her up, I’ve decided to repost it with some changes. Some songs removed. Some songs added. Longer descriptions of why I picked the song in some places.
Theme of Lorna: I Am The Fire by Halestorm (lyrics)
- This is, in my mind, a great distillation of her character as a whole and the ideal attitude for her future.
Plane Crash (Child Lorna): So Like a Rose by Garbage (lyrics)
Identity (Teen Lorna): Human by Ellie Goulding (lyrics)
- This is a personal fan imagining to fill in an important gap Marvel won’t fill: what Lorna’s life was like in her teens, and how she saw herself while not having the full picture of who she is.
Repowered (Teen Lorna): Lightning is my Girl by Melissa Auf Der Maur (lyrics)
Decision, Xavier or Magneto: I Radio Heaven by Over The Rhine (lyrics)
Attraction (Iceman): Magnetized by Garbage (lyrics)
- This one’s heavily inspired by Iceman’s sexual orientation and light shed on it in recent years, and how Lorna relates to it.
Freezing Feelings (Iceman): Blue Caravan by Vienna Teng (lyrics)
- The lyrics at the end are the key reason behind this pick.
Self-Exile (Havok): Now I Can Die by Nina Gordon (lyrics)
- Setting: Polaris living the “civilian” life with Havok after leaving the X-Men. My POV for this pick is… not a nice one.
Malice: Mz. Hyde by Halestorm (lyrics)
- Fan reimagining, from Lorna simply being a vessel for Malice, to Malice taking the darker parts of Lorna, corrupting them and dragging them out into public where she doesn’t want them seen; Malice being weaker than Lorna since it’s not a genuine tap into her powers.
Self-Image: Pretty Lies by Veridia (lyrics)
Genoshan Massacre: Hide and Seek by Imogen Heap (lyrics)
- This is a big one for me. I can picture every stanza and its relation. Lorna in the ruins in disbelief at how suddenly lives were ended. Lorna re-experiencing the millions of dead Genoshans’ last moments over and over with her powers. Lorna blaming herself and her father Magneto for ever being “stupid” enough to think Genosha was a good idea. Her difficulties in any kind of therapy with Xavier, how tough it is to believe a single thing they say to try to help her.
Innocence Lost: This Was The Year by Nina Gordon (lyrics)
- This is intended as something of an intermission regarding the horrors of her life.
Left at the Altar (Havok): The Reckoning by Halestorm (lyrics)
Lorna was in an emotionally vulnerable state. The wedding was a bright spot after so much bad… then Havok took it away from her at the worst possible moment. This being Lorna’s response to being screwed with after all she’s been through.
Altar Aftermath (Havok): So We Can Stay Alive by Garbage (lyrics)
Coping, Awakening: Going To Hell by Pretty Reckless (lyrics)
- Lorna as she dives full on into the darkest parts of herself and being more like her father’s daughter. Elements of both Lorna’s grief at having survived Genosha while millions died, and Lorna pissed about being left at the altar.
Power Loss, Journey: Misguided Ghosts by Paramore (lyrics)
This is set after M-Day, when Wanda stripped most mutants of their powers, including her family – meaning Lorna.
Apocalypse Conditioning: Veins by Charlotte Martin (lyrics)
- This is Lorna regaining her powers due to Apocalypse reconditioning her after capturing her to turn her into Pestilence.
Pestilence: Glittering Cloud by Imogen Heap (lyrics)
Back Together (Havok): Not a Virgin by Poe (lyrics)
Origins Found: Monsters by Lenka (lyrics)
Left Again (Havok): Wicked Ways by Garbage (lyrics)
Losses: Smoke by Sarah Fimm (lyrics)
- Set after the Hell arc of X-Factor, just before All-New X-Factor
Taking Charge: What I’ve Overcome by Fireflight (lyrics)
- Lorna leading X-Factor at Serval. Note: this is more like a focus on the good moments and her potential if the series had managed to hone in on them fully.
Warrior (Quicksilver): Warrior by Charlotte Martin (lyrics)
- Pietro’s view of Lorna, inspired entirely by All-New X-Factor #13.
Lost Brother (Quicksilver): Unbroken by Missy Higgins (lyrics)
- Technically more of a Quicksilver song, from Lorna’s POV.
BONUS!
Songs for ideal possible future directions, or just generally Lorna. They’re often things that I think fit perfectly for her but don’t really have a direct correlation to events in her character history. Or, things that could happen but may or may not. Treat them like fanfic, in other words.
Magnus Sisters (Scarlet Witch): Daughters of Darkness by Halestorm (lyrics)
Mother’s Message: Dear Daughter by Halestorm (lyrics)
- Idea: Lorna receiving a message from her mother that she didn’t know about. Lots of catharsis.
Dark Lorna: Control by halsey (lyrics)
- This song is lifted from a Polaris soundtrack by @plavapticica. Just as suggested by her, I think it’s an excellent representation of Lorna working with her history of mind control, possession and being messed with in general. My view is that it does all that and Lorna rolls it into being more determined and vicious.
Polaris vs X-Men, Magneto and Xavier: Joan of Arc by In This Moment (lyrics)
- Took this from another fan here on Tumblr (name I forget) who suggested this for Gifted version Lorna. In this case, I think it would be an excellent song for Lorna in a theoretical event where she’s like Jean during Phoenix Saga or Scarlet Witch during House of M. Magneto, Xavier, the X-Men in general have a history of taking her for granted and not caring about what happens to her for various reasons (especially in the Claremont era). Here’s Lorna questioning their “morality” and how easy they seem to find disregarding her feelings and experiences while exploiting her for their own interests.

Mistress of Magnetism: A Lorna Dane Fanmix
And the terror and the horror
God, I wonder why we bother
All the glamour and the trauma and the fuckin’
MelodramaLately I’ve been thinking it’s just someone else’s job to care
Who am I to sympathize when no one gave a damn
I’ve been thinking it’s just someone else’s job to care cause who am I to wanna tryiii. Rainy Days by Fog Lake
Do you think we’ll ever sleep tonight
We were enemies but now we see our fortune
But misery’s a sight i see in motion
Just a little prelude announcement.
Next year will be the 50th anniversary of the creation of Polaris/Lorna Dane. She was created in October of 1968.
I can already say based on @marvelentertainment‘s history with her that they won’t acknowledge this anniversary. In fact, the way Marvel behaves toward her means it’s more likely they’ll actively keep her off everything they can during this time. They won’t want to give her or Gifted any more of a boost than necessary. This is in addition to Marvel’s general negative attitude toward her.
So why am I saying all this? Cause I want to reiterate: fandom should be prepared to do all the work on celebrating her anniversary. Marvel won’t be offering anything, so it’ll be up to fandom to make it happen.
My current plan is to commission fanart and if I can get into the swing of it, write some fanfic. These are my current ideas, not all of which I’ll necessarily pursue, but which I’ll at least consider and pick a few from.
Art (commissioning artists)
“The Littlest Magnet” cover – children’s book style, made to look like a cover with baby/child Lorna
“X-Men Green” cover – mock-up cover of a team book with Polaris as its leader
“Generations: The Magnets” cover – mock-up cover of the various Generations books, since it was pretty clear Marvel went out of the way to keep from using Magneto and Polaris when they were doing these books
Polaris vs Red Skull – Basically a recreation of the picture below, but with teen Lorna as the girl scout and Red Skull as the other guy.

Polaris using powers with two middle fingers – Idea spawned from image below from Gifted’s preview for next week.

Polaris solo book cover – some kind of theoretical solo book cover for her, with a font for her name
Polaris as next Phoenix Jean/HoM Wanda – People who know me may remember that I’ve suggested multiple times that Lorna could be an excellent deep dig into the tropes behind Jean as Phoenix and Wanda during House of M. Whatever this would be, it’d be in this vein. Marvel itself acknowledged Lorna’s potential here back in 2009 with the Fantastic Force cover below.

General “Lorna in events she was excluded from” art – Lorna’s been excluded from a lot of events over the decades for no good reason. Axis. Children’s Crusade. Inhumans vs X-Men. Days of Future Past. Avengers vs X-Men too, but I commissioned something for that when the event happened. Commissions would be Lorna added back into these events. For example, perhaps with Inhumans vs X-Men, Lorna trying to work something out with Crystal, whom she had helped while in space.
Fic (writing fic)
Bear in mind that I’m a lot slower, have less energy, and have a harder time getting into the groove of fics these days. It’s entirely possible I might not write any of these ideas. But I’m saying them anyway.
Polaris & Scarlet Witch Halloween – Idea I had around All-New X-Factor time. Harrison Snow tries to get Lorna and Wanda to dress up as stereotypical “ugly witches” for a Serval event. They realize how awful Snow’s plan is and ditch it. Wanda goes with a much nicer witch (or maybe princess?) look, and Lorna goes with being a knight, complementing each other.
Polaris and the eye camera – Another idea based on ANXF (which I reeeeally laid into for screwing up #3-6, but which started getting better from #7 onward and which had a lot of potential). This would basically be Lorna, fully aware of the camera Harrison Snow had surgically placed in her eyes, screwing with Snow by using her powers to feed him entirely different sound and images.
Mutants as Infinity Gems – This is an idea I’ve had for years, but which I kept to myself because I figured eh, you never know if you could be in a position to do it yourself. I know that’d never happen now, so here it is. Basically, there’s a mutant representative out there for each infinity gem. In my mind, they’re all women. Lorna would be one of them.
“Hellfire Horsemen” (NSFW) – A NSFW fic idea I had started but never finished even one of the chapters. Basically, four female characters have formed a club that’s a mix of Hellfire Club and Apocalypse’s horsemen. Plan was to use Polaris, Scarlet Witch, Rogue and Amelia Voght. Lorna would be Iron Maiden, representing War. I could potentially pick this up again and finish it next year.
Always open to additional ideas!









